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The Second point I want to make is that you are mistaken that one may dissent from non-infallible teaching. I don't know what kind of things are being said about money in your parish; but, my personal opinion is that anyone who is putting less than $10 in the weekly collection has no right to complain when their pastor talks about money. Gobbi’s explanation of the thousand-year reign clearly falls into the category of “mitigated millenarianism,” which “cannot be taught safely.”. Welcome to Our Lady’s Prayer Groups – Chicago My name is Fr. While I didn’t feel called to join the cenacle, I encouraged my friend and prayed for her in what seemed to be a wonderful endeavor. I read the Garabandal information. Fr. that he receives these messages from the Mother of God.”, In his letter, Fr. What can I do to get over the hurt and pain these so called "good Catholics" have caused me and my family? . There is nothing in them that adds to or takes away from the teaching of the Church. And you are correct that the message of our Lord is often missed by those who's concern for knowing about the Lord is not as important as their concern for knowing the Lord. The older priest who is currently living with me (he's semi-retired), preaches very long homilies which, by what I hear, are very disjointed. Gobbi’s locutions finally came in a letter put out by the Marian Movement of Priests itself. Their unique role will be to partake in the sovereign earthly reign of Christ for this thousand-year period” (5). In her messages given to Fr. Below are excerpts from our Dec 31, 1992 message: Again, the judgment may be objectively wrong because the knowledge used is objectively erroneous; but the judgment of conscience is able to be subjectively correct—and subjectively moral. Some people, when they read the meditations of Father Gobbi for the first time, become unduly alarmed by their apocalyptic character. a thorough investigation must be undertaken by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF). According to Fr. Of course, I've also been exposed to preaching which is, for lack of a better word, over-prepared; or, perhaps it would be better to say, over-intellectualized. On another note, however, I think it's also important that you take time to evaluate whether your feelings regarding the emphasis on finances in your parish are justified. Our love for Mary can be augmented by such supernatural events, but it is never to be founded upon them. "I like to let the spirit move me," is what one often hears priests say. Am I heading in the correct direction? This is part of the mystery of the incarnation. Fr. 3:7). As soon as that person becomes aware of the truth, the excuse of conscience is no longer valid, since the conscience now has a new standard by which to judge. Dated October 7, 1998 and addressed to “All members of the Marian Movement of Priests,” the letter from Rev. Benedict Groeschel were discussing the recent death of “Cardinal” John O’Connor. People who interpret conscience as "how I feel about it personally" will say that conscience excuses the use of contraception on the basis of personal opinion. To me it seems to have had its roots in superstition, and a belief on the part of the faithful that Christ is some how unapproachable. She had been promoting two of our books and arranging speaking engagements for us in her area. “Imprimatur” means literally “let it be printed”—signifying whoever reviewed it found worthy of printing, meaning it contains no teachings contrary to the faith. There's a lesson in that, I think. . . Thank You for Being Here ! With this attachment to the movement and the people in it, it is difficult for them to see—or more precisely, to be willing to see—its defects. And you continue, ". . . Date: 94-06-28 22:22:43 EDT From: Nicodemus. / EWTN. Without the final judgment, “Christ will establish His kingdom in the world after having defeated and annihilated His enemies” (3). For the greatest possible glorification of her virgin body is the complement, at once appropriate and marvelous, of the absolute innocence of her soul, which was free from all stain. Gobbi claims that the fire that prepares the way for the new heavens and the new earth is merely a spiritual fire, i.e., a second Pentecost. Gobbi’s locutions, the Blessed Mother says he is. However, I am puzzled as to why I seem to hear it so differently than those members of my parish obviously so much more knowledgeable than I. Mother Angelica is responding to Pope St. John Paul II’s 1994 decision to approve female altar servers. As the wife put it, "Given how much God has done for us, how can we refuse him this effort? Gobbi complied with the request as regards the introduction of his book, but, at the same time, says Fr. This becomes clear when you hear people say things like, "Jesus became a person" as opposed to "man," or "In the name of the Parent, and of the Offspring, and of the Holy Spirit." Many people have become confused about the notion of salvation they seem to find in Romans 9, which leads to confusion when taken out of the context of Paul's purpose; such was the case with John Calvin in the 16th century in formulating his doctrine of "predestination," which was the central teaching of his Reformed Church (more recently known as the Presbyterians) until the middle of this century, when they more or less abandoned the belief. He was born in the Province of Como, Italy and was ordained as a priest in 1964. Mother Angelica and EWTN have always been defenders of the heretical teachings of Vatican II. and, "A conscience that knows what the Church teaches can never be used as an excuse to do what the Church teaches is objectively evil." It is a … I’ve laid out some major points of comparison so you can see for yourself. I love my faith. But that does not make the act right, nor make the conscience infallible. Gobbi’s MMP Talk in Italy" by Fr.… How accurate was the information in the magazine? And in the fine catechism The Teaching of Christ: A Catholic Catechism for Adults (Bishop Donald W. Wuerl, R. Lawler, OFM Cap., and Thomas Lawler, eds., Our Sunday Visitor [1991]), we read, “Some people have mistakenly come to expect a Messianic kingdom in which Christ together with the saints would rule a temporal kingdom on earth for a thousand years (hence the term ‘millenarianism’) before the final entrance into heaven. Even this is judgment. One is able to "know the truth" only to the extent that one has reason to believe that such-and-such IS the truth. I met Father Gobbi and read all this stuff. I certainly never claimed that the conscience is "infallible" nor that the judgment of conscience is always "objectively" accurate. Italy (1930-2011) Priest, Mystic, and Founder of The Marian Movement of Priests. Popular television personality and speaker Fr. Since the dissolution of the body is the result of sin, and Mary was sinless, she must have been exempt from the common curse, and therefore her body did not corrupt in the grave. Charles Becker, a priest of the Archdiocese of Chicago. This is "February 2007 – EWTN Homily Obstacles to being the Apostles of the New Evangelization – Fr. He sounds well respected and authentic. I am loyal to Rome. You are correct that a person must follow one's conscience, provided that one's conscience is both formed and informed. Please don't tell me to just pray, I do that a lot already. And I know that there are many people in my parish who believe I would be a better priest if I did things the way they wanted. So it depends not upon man's will or exertion, but upon God's mercy. Gobbi, this will occur prior to, and without need of, the final judgment. Mother Angelica and EWTN have always been defenders of the heretical teachings of Vatican II. So, with regard to centering prayer, the question is, "What exactly am I centering on?". Is Jesus going to return in glory by the year 2000? Twice the Holy Father has convened the College of Cardinals to discuss the impoverished financial situation at the Vatican, and several dioceses in this country have filed for bankruptcy in the last few years. Rev. Why? Dated October 7, 1998 and addressed to “All members of the Marian Movement of Priests,” the letter from Rev. . Catechism: “After the universal judgment. I come to this discussion late and I haven't read all the earlier messages. In the passage in question, Paul points out how all of the events leading up to Israel's election as God's chosen people all happened because of the simple choice of God, and not by any merit on the part of the Hebrews as a people. .The universe itself will be renewed: . Father Gobbi is a true prophet as you will soon see. Sacred Scripture calls this mysterious renewal, which will transform humanity and the world, ‘new heavens and a new earth’ . Finally, there’s the loyalty issue. Quartilio Gabrielli (2012-2013) – Spanish Annual Circular Letters from Fr. He read his sermons word for word from prepared texts, and had a high, squeaky voice that wasn't easy to listen to for two hours (the length of most of his sermons). Others are unaware that the locutions haven’t yet been approved or that there is any cause for concern. Fr. Gobbi himself says, "No locution, not even such as are gathered together in this book, could take the place of, or be put on a par with, an official public statement of the faith of the Church, from which the complete physiognomy of Mary and her mission will become apparent. The Catholic Church is the only major Christian denomination that continues to "nickel-and-dime" it's people for it's existence. Stefano Gobbi (22 March 1930 – 29 June 2011) was an Italian Roman Catholic priest. Gobbi’s teaching on the Second Coming is contrary to the teaching of the Church. I found the movement’s insistence on proclaiming the authenticity of the locutions—in the face of this specific request to do otherwise—unsettling. In it, our Lady contradicts Pope John Paul II and Sr. Lucia, one of the seers of Fatima—both of whom have confirmed that Pope’s consecration of Russia and the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, made on March 25, 1984, fulfilled our Lady‘s request. Is this okay? I was ordained in 1986 and experienced a conversion to a deeper appreciation of the Catholic Faith in 1989-1990 … Continue reading After much searching, the best information regarding what the Church had to say about Fr. Some of the Doctors and Fathers argue from her virginity, that as her body was preserved in spotless chastity, it should not be subject to natural dissolution after death. Although Fr. The teaching of the Church cannot be regarded as just one of many equal points of view to consider. A lot of people struggle with the things you mention. Italy (1930-2011) Priest, Mystic, and Founder of The Marian Movement of Priests. Message 532 says in part: “I [Mary] confirm to you that, by the great jubilee of the year two thousand, there will take place the triumph of my Immaculate Heart, of which I foretold you at Fatima, and this will come to pass with the return of Jesus in glory, to establish his Reign in the world. It was designed to counter doubts about the validity of the messages, but, in order to do so, it was necessary to include those statements that gave rise to the concerns in the first place. But what about the imprimatur given to Fr. Consequently, when Pius XII defined the Assumption, he did more than propose the doctrine for acceptance by the faithful or give them a new motive for devotion. EWTN television is literally everywhere, reaching viewers on a wide range of traditional and emerging technologies. Stefano Gobbi while praying in the Chapel of the Apparitions in Fatima for some priests who, besides having given up their own vocations, were attempting to form an association in rebellion against the authority of the Roman Catholic Church; an interior voice (interior locutions) urged Fr. I have to admit this type of thing 'spooks' me and sounds off little caution alarm bells in my head. Using the same criteria stated in the book, this is our report after ten years of research. And, we can be sure, Mother Mary’s voice will always be in harmony with Holy Mother Church. The Second Vatican Council indicates the conditions which can be used to determine whether a particular teaching is to be determined infallible. Fr. Also, is it O.K. Gobbi to have confidence in the Immaculate Heart of Mary. That will never change; what we can change is how we respond to that. Gobbi are taken from his 1996 twelve-page explanation of the Second Coming. For he says to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' Gobbi‘s alleged messages from our Lady). St. Teresa of Avila, in cataloging the effects of bad spiritual direction, mentions the damage done by those directors who "canonize" one approach and force it upon others without any sensitivity to the individual. Such an approach would go against almost everything that the saints have to say about spiritual direction. . Albert G. Roux, national directo… At most cenacles, the meditations of Don Stefano are read and discussed, though this is not an essential part of the movement. GOBBI CONCERNING THE WARNING. Only you can say whether you are open to the truth, or willing to accept the authority given by Christ to his Church to define and teach it. Father Stefano Gobbi. People like to assume that all large institutions are rich, and the Catholic Church is very large. ", Subj: Centering Prayer? Gobbi’s explanation, which is not covered by the imprimatur. It is only through invincible ignorance that a person's conscience can excuse from guilt in deviating from the moral order. Conscience is one's first guide to morality. Gobbi: “The return (Second Coming) of Jesus in glory [will take place] before His final coming for the Last Judgment”(2). Benedict Groeschel were discussing the recent death of “Cardinal” John O’Connor. I volunteered at EWTN for almost 10 years and met tons of those kind of folks. As Fr. He then says: "What shall we say then? Gobbi’s locutions as Mary‘s messages, I began to have other reasons to wonder about the MMP. Church sanction was of particular importance. But the little chapel at Littlemore was still packed to overflowing Sunday after Sunday, where Newman used to preach the evening vespers, not because he was a captivating speaker, but because people want to hear the fruits of holiness, and he was known to be a holy man. Along with the Church’s caution about accepting Fr. . But, more important than the question of immediate preparation is the question of remote preparation, which, according to St. Francis De Sales, is the fundamental ground of all good preaching, and which refers to the personal union with Christ that the preacher brings to everything he says. Roux also quotes the [former] apostolic pro-nuncio to the United States [Archbishop Agostino Cacciavillan], who wrote these words to the corresponding secretary of the World Apostolate of Fatima: “Concerning your inquiry, I can inform you that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has advised that the writings of Fr. The new edition of the NAB has included some elements of "inclusive language," but it is not proper for a lector, priest, or anyone else to change what he finds in the text on his own authority. This obligation to be faithful to the sacred texts as they have been approved is a serious one, as was emphasized by the Fathers of the Second Vatican Council: "Regulation of the sacred liturgy depends solely on the authority of the Church, that is, on the Apostolic See, and, as laws may determine, on the bishop" (Sacrosanctum Concilium, 4 Dec 1963, #22, n1). He said, in "Humani Generis," that the Church's teaching authority is not confined to reflecting or consolidating the past. All of Father Gobbi's claims of new things and renewals are false and deceptive claims. Gobbi, requested and advised that he should not claim in the book’s introduction that these messages are from the Blessed Mother, but rather that they are the product of his own personal meditation.”, Fr. And the laughter is contagious! Rev. Subj: Father Gobbi Date: 94-06-29 19:49:36 EDT From: Angelica. Box 636 Castle Hill 2154 AUSTRALIA Please send (No) copy(ies) of "To the Priests, Our Lady's Beloved Sons" to Name Full Address State Postcode The support and propagation of this book rest on the help and generosity of those touched by Mary's message. But the process of reasoning that you describe has nothing to do with conscience. I want, at all times to hear more of his message, and I pray often throughout the day. Fr. Which brings me to your next point: "Not everything taught by the Church's hierarchy is free from error, and it is possible to dissent from authoritative, but non-infallible teachings." Gobbi to have confidence in the Immaculate Heart of Mary. It is never wise to ignore such red flags. Where do I stand? Part of dealing with this kind of situation is to recognize that we can't change those around us; we can only change ourselves. But the most cogent reason, later on adopted by Pope Pius XII in his definition of the dogma, was the participation by Christ's mother in his redemption of the world, which you refer to as her "co-Redemptrix" quality, meaning nothing more than the fact that since Christ came into the world through Mary's "fiat" in accepting the commission from the angel Gabriel, so everything we receive from Christ comes to us, in a sense, through Mary. 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